Seth Trammell: Your Blog Content Was Never Supposed to Convert

October 29, 2025 • 00:28:58
Seth Trammell: Your Blog Content Was Never Supposed to Convert
The Unscripted SEO Interview Podcast
Seth Trammell: Your Blog Content Was Never Supposed to Convert

Oct 29 2025 | 00:28:58

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Show Notes

Seth Trammell is director of SEO at KlientBoost, running the SEO product for a mostly B2B SaaS client base. His argument is one SEOs have been losing to clients for years. Blog content that does not convert is not failing, because converting was never its job.

Key takeaways

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Content that was never supposed to convert

It’s not SEO’s job necessarily to nab that conversion, but they can help your other channels by basically providing new users that you can then find ways that you can remarket to and retarget to and use.

— Seth Trammell

The trap is last-click attribution applied to an asset that was never designed to take the last click. Run that report and every informational page looks like a failure, so it gets cut, and then the retargeting pool quietly dries up a quarter later.

His alternative is to give top-of-funnel content an honest target. Email addresses, SMS opt-ins, an audience that can be reached again. Those are countable, and they feed the channels that do convert.

Ecommerce, and the squeeze on small brands

Seth came from an ecommerce-heavy agency before KlientBoost and thinks that side of the work is frequently simpler. The intent is clearer, the money is closer to the page, and the feedback loop is short.

The exception is category consolidation. In skincare and beauty in particular, the retailers are winning the queries the brands used to own, which changes what an independent brand should even be trying to rank for.

Selling to a champion, not a buyer

In B2B SaaS the person reading your content is rarely the person who signs. They are the champion, and their real job after finding you is to argue your case to a finance function on your behalf.

That should change what you publish. The champion needs ammunition, not a brochure. Numbers they can quote, comparisons they can defend, and something that survives being forwarded into a meeting they are not in.

You’ve got this whole ecosystem of marketing that’s going on and everybody can play together if we try.

— Seth Trammell

Nofollow, LLMs and the measurement problem

Nofollow used to mean a link was worth less. For model visibility it does not work that way, because being mentioned is the point rather than passing authority. That quietly invalidates a lot of outreach that filtered targets on domain metrics.

On measurement he is sceptical of the tooling. Mimicking real multi-shot prompting is hard, so most visibility trackers are sampling something narrower than the behaviour they claim to measure.

They’re just prediction machines. They just want to tell you what word should come next.

— Seth Trammell

That is also his answer to people treating a citation as an endorsement. A model citing you has not vetted you.

The loop customers actually run

His model of the current buying path is three steps, not one. Google to find the field. A model to interrogate the shortlist. Then a branded search on Google to actually buy.

Which means the branded search at the end can look like the whole story if you only read the last click, when the work that earned it happened two steps earlier.

He is much less kind about the content filling that middle step. Self-serving comparison posts and listicles get cited happily by models, which is exactly why there are so many of them.

People, ideas and sources mentioned

EntityWhat it is
KlientBoostWhere Seth directs the SEO product
GrowThe ecommerce-heavy agency he directed SEO at previously
Champion sellingOptimising for the person who then has to sell you internally
Nofollow and LLM visibilityWhy mention now matters more than link equity
GEO vs LLMOThe naming fight, and the shaky measurement underneath it

Questions this episode answers

Go deeper

Every link above goes somewhere different. These are the ones not already mentioned above.

Find Seth Trammell

He is at KlientBoost, and says LinkedIn is where he will start posting. He lurks on X and Reddit and does not engage.

Cite this episode

Trammell, Seth. Interviewed by Jeremy Rivera. “Your Blog Content Was Never Supposed to Convert.” The Unscripted SEO Interview Podcast, 2025. https://the-unscripted-seo-interview-podcast.castos.com/episodes/seth-trammell-your-blog-content-was-never-supposed-to-convert

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