Chris Green: Patents, Bots & the Cannibalization Reversal

August 06, 2026 • 00:46:28
Chris Green: Patents, Bots & the Cannibalization Reversal
The Unscripted SEO Interview Podcast
Chris Green: Patents, Bots & the Cannibalization Reversal

Aug 06 2026 | 00:46:28

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Show Notes

Fifteen years of SEO theory was built on Google’s patent literature. Chris Green of Torque Partnership takes the two load-bearing ones, PageRank and Reasonable Surfer, and asks what survives a web where most of the traffic hitting your pages was never a person. He is also the sceptic on markdown companion files, and the sceptic is the useful voice in that argument.

Key takeaways

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Patents as principles, not blueprints

Quote card: It pollutes all of my other data, which then ruins decision making, which then eventually potentially ruins my budget and my remit. Chris Green, Torque Partnership

We know when the patent comes in, we know when it’s established. We don’t often have a consistent concrete understanding of for how long that mechanism is at work or what other systems intertwine with it... learn them, be aware of them, be conscious of them.

— Chris Green

The distinction he is drawing is between using a patent to picture a system and using one to justify a decision. You can move PageRank around a site convincingly in a simulation and change visibility by nothing at all.

If you know how to test it and you know how to be skeptical then it’s still valuable, still highly valuable.

— Chris Green

What agent traffic does to your data

User behavior collapses, like things like dwell time, click frustration points, call to actions, everything like that is turned on its head... it pollutes all of my other data, which then ruins decision making, which then eventually potentially ruins my budget and my remit.

— Chris Green

This is the part of the agentic shift that arrives before any of the interesting parts. Agents do not pogo-stick, do not hesitate, and do not read. Every behavioural metric you use to argue for investment quietly stops describing humans, and nothing in the dashboard tells you when that happened.

The hardest case is not a declared crawler. It is an agent operating inside a real person’s browser, on their session and their device, where the ordinary detection signals simply are not present.

The sceptic’s case on markdown companions

A relatively small static site... like a WordPress or something that’s fairly simple... it’s almost a non task, you can kind of do it automatically, never think about it again. And I think if that’s you and you can do it now, I can think of no reason why you wouldn’t... for a 50,000, 100,000, million page website that’s made with duct tape and sticky tape, it’s just not going to fly.

— Chris Green

Note that this is not a no. It is a scale-dependent yes, which is the answer most of the argument has been missing. His actual worry is drift: what happens when the markdown and the HTML disagree, and which team is accountable when they do.

We end up at a route where a markdown file is serving different data. No one’s gonna tell you at the moment, there isn’t a single bot or service out there that will say, hey, your markdown files are wrong.

— Chris Green

That is the missing feedback loop, and it is a real one. Every other publishing surface you own has something watching it.

The cannibalisation reversal, and access logs

If you had three to four links that were selectable, you were much more likely to get included in the citation than if you had under three or interestingly over that four or five mark.

— Chris Green

One relatively isolated client test, presented as such. The operational consequence is heresy by the old rules: keep the subdomain page, add the main-domain page, and link them, rather than consolidating one into the other.

There is a possibility that we as an industry may have got a little oversensitive to cannibalization in a very kind of strict kind of way. There’s always the potential that it maybe wasn’t the biggest issue.

— Chris Green

The evidence nobody is bringing

One of the other treasure troves of information is access logs. So if we can say these AI bots are visiting on these days, here’s your average count for the amount of times that a user driven bot has appeared versus a training bot versus a search bot... very few people are bringing that kind of value.

— Chris Green

The split that matters is user-triggered against training crawler, because the first is a proxy for a real person being shown your page. He also warns to check the IP range before you trust the user agent, since a spoofed ChatGPT hit will happily contaminate the whole analysis.

Chapters

TimeWhat happens
00:00Fifteen years, and the seats Chris has sat in
01:18Do Google's old patents still describe live systems?
04:50Test it and stay sceptical, the SEO's actual core skill
05:10Reasonable Surfer when most of the web is bots
07:19Polluted analytics, ruined decisions, ruined budgets
08:17Markdown companion files and Google's position on them
11:01The trust problem and the enterprise maintenance overhead
14:28Bots with wallets, and which standard to hedge
20:13Why the RAG layer is riper for gaming than training data
22:57The tactic that has always worked: be explicit
25:07The cannibalisation reversal and the link sweet spot
33:56Access logs as the measurement layer nobody sells

People, ideas and sources mentioned

EntityWhat it is
Chris GreenFifteen-plus years across technical SEO, content, team leadership and data analytics
Torque PartnershipHis consultancy: technical SEO, CDN work and global programmes for large brands
Reasonable SurferThe Google patent on valuing link placement, used here as a lens on agent behaviour
Bill SlawskiNamed as the person whose patent analysis anchored the industry
Access logsHis preferred evidence base, split by user-triggered against training crawler
Splunk, BigQuery, Data StudioThe stack he suggests once log analysis outgrows a spreadsheet

Questions this episode answers

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Find Chris Green

chris-green.net, his working notes on Substack, and LinkedIn.

Cite this episode

Green, Chris. Interviewed by Jeremy Rivera. “Do Google’s Patents Still Hold Up in an Agentic Web?” The Unscripted SEO Podcast, 6 August 2026. https://unscriptedseo.com/chris-green-do-googles-patents-still-hold-up-in-an-agentic-web/

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